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Bike vs. Car - It's a Heated Debate.

If you're a regular reader of this blog, you will know that I a) do own a car (or, to be really correct, I own my own company, and said company owns a car, and that b) I am very fond of cycling, and will try to use the bike or public transport instead of driving whenever possible.

Car vs. Bike is, to my constant consternation, a very emotionally heated debate here in Germany. I really don't understand this - and I guess quite a lot of it is due to some anti-green propaganda. But let me explain this a bit better.

It's quite typical that, if somebody says "people could take the bike to do that" or "bikes are more sustainable than cars", someone else cries out "but you cannot forbid people to use the car, not everyone can be car-free" or "but bikes are not suitable to transport heavy goods or multiple people". Basically, what happens is the implication that everyone who is pro-bicycle, or mentions benefits from bikes wants everyone to instantly ditch their car and go by bike everywhere and for everything, no matter what.

This is definitely not true, but it happens all the time, and it's not making the situation better.

I grew up in a small town at the end of nowhere, and everybody there used the car for about everything. Children rode bikes, but as soon as you turned 17, you'd register for driving school, and you'd typically get your license on your 18th birthday (the earliest point possible back then), and then you had mobility, and freedom, and many of my peers also had their first own car then, or got use of the family car. My home town is not very bike-friendly regarding the streets, and it's a bit hilly, but both things are also not very bad, so it would be perfectly possible to cycle more than is usual there. On the other hand, there used to be next to no public transport (which has not changed much) - so for any visits to neighbouring villages or towns, you'd need a car.

Today, I live in a bike-friendly city, and we're doing all of our everyday stuff by bike. There's also decent public transport, which allows to take bikes along in the metro trains so you can use your own transport for the last mile. However, there's still the car - and I need that for going to fairs and markets, because there's just no way that I could transport all the things necessary to set up a booth in public transport. Exceptions apply, such as when I went to Dublin for WorldCon - though I had most of the booth logistics supplied by the con there. If you have to bring your own tables and seats like for most fairs, that's just straight out not possible.

So. I am fully aware of the benefits of a car - but I'm also aware of their drawbacks. Personally, I think that bikes are the best thing for mobility in many cases, and many circumstances. They are resource-friendly (and even an e-bike uses much less material and energy than a car), they keep you healthy, they are quiet and don't take up much space, it's easy to find a parking space for them just where you want to go, and for short to medium distances in daily life, especially in towns, they are faster than a car. Even for the 10-something kilometers to our regular bouldering place, it takes us just as long to go by car as it does by bike! Yes, they have limited transport capacity (though it's amazing what you can pack on if you have a bit of practise), and they do not protect you from the weather (unless you have a velomobile), but these are things where there's still the option to take a car. (Or lend a cargo bike.)

Nobody of the sane people promoting the bike as a very good option for personal transport wants everyone to stop using cars right now. All that we want is for more people to consider cycling (or walking) instead of hopping into the car more often, because every little bit helps. So it makes me very sad when the response to "more cycling" is an automatic "bikes cannot solve everything!!!!11!!". No, they cannot, but neither can cars.

And then there's e-bike bashing, too. Yes, they take more resources to make than a non-electrified bike. There's also the people looking down their noses at e-bikers, because apparently, in their minds, if you need the motor, you are a lesser person. WTF? If an e-bike means there will be more cycling instead of car driving, I'm all, all for it. I don't care for the reason that someone adds a motor to a bike, whether it's laziness or unfitness or some other physical condition or the fact that it's just more fun to go supported or the need to get somewhere reliably quickly without breaking a sweat or the desire to ride on the latest fad wave or the fact that the friends in the cycling group all have an e-bike and there's no way to keep up without one - any reason is valid. And any kilometer done by bike, whether e or not, whether it's to replace a car trip or it's a fun ride just for cycling's sake, is a good thing.

I'm done with my rant for now... but I'm curious: Have you encountered that "you want to forbid everything! go away"-phenomenon, too? Regarding cycles, or something that a green party said or promoted, where you are? And what's your opinion on the bike-vs-car thing? Let me know in the comments...
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Jessica Grimm (website) on Donnerstag, 22. Juli 2021 12:44

My problem with e-bikes is that they will not last 20-30 years. Common for normal bikes. The battery pack lasts 5 to 6 years and comes with only a 2-year guarantee. The longer lifespan is only possible with good care. What happens with all these dead battery packs? I also observe a boom in cycling up mountains (I live in the Bavarian Alps). As a hiker, I get pushed off the paths regularly. I also encounter more and more people on the 100-km/hour roads with their e-bikes. These people would not dream of using a normal bike on these roads. So, I have quite a different view when it comes to e-bikes!

My problem with e-bikes is that they will not last 20-30 years. Common for normal bikes. The battery pack lasts 5 to 6 years and comes with only a 2-year guarantee. The longer lifespan is only possible with good care. What happens with all these dead battery packs? I also observe a boom in cycling up mountains (I live in the Bavarian Alps). As a hiker, I get pushed off the paths regularly. I also encounter more and more people on the 100-km/hour roads with their e-bikes. These people would not dream of using a normal bike on these roads. So, I have quite a different view when it comes to e-bikes!
Katrin on Montag, 26. Juli 2021 15:51

I can absolutely understand your problems with e-bikes. However, while regular bikes can theoretically last 30 years, nobody I know who actively uses a bike for everyday mobility has one that is 20 years or older - so while they might in theory last that long, usually they get replaced by a newer bike after about 10-15 years. Just like most cars get replaced by a newer one before they are completely broken down.
The batteries can last longer or shorter, that also depends on the use they are getting, and the care they are getting. I can't say how long their lifetimes actually are these days, but for the car batteries for e-cars, the makers stated a shorter lifetime than actually happened, to be on the safe side. Dead battery packs will hopefully get recycled to re-use the materials. (Yes, this is by far not done as fully as one should hope.)
Finally - I'm sorry that you have to cope with idiots in the Alps. E-bikes should not be a facilitator to be rude and endanger other traffic participants - neither hikers nor others. Whether electrified or not, mountainbikers should not push hikers off a path. Also, intensive mountainbike use can be hard on nature, and I'm not a fan of that. I am, however, one of the people who do use a bike on the 100-km-hour roads. A normal bike, I might add; sometimes there is just no other choice if you want to get from A to B. One can be of mixed opinions on that, and depending on the road it can feel quite unsafe, but nobody complains about a Mofa going there with its 30 km/h, and an e-bike is not necessarily much slower...

I can absolutely understand your problems with e-bikes. However, while regular bikes can theoretically last 30 years, nobody I know who actively uses a bike for everyday mobility has one that is 20 years or older - so while they might in theory last that long, usually they get replaced by a newer bike after about 10-15 years. Just like most cars get replaced by a newer one before they are completely broken down. The batteries can last longer or shorter, that also depends on the use they are getting, and the care they are getting. I can't say how long their lifetimes actually are these days, but for the car batteries for e-cars, the makers stated a shorter lifetime than actually happened, to be on the safe side. Dead battery packs will hopefully get recycled to re-use the materials. (Yes, this is by far not done as fully as one should hope.) Finally - I'm sorry that you have to cope with idiots in the Alps. E-bikes should not be a facilitator to be rude and endanger other traffic participants - neither hikers nor others. Whether electrified or not, mountainbikers should not push hikers off a path. Also, intensive mountainbike use can be hard on nature, and I'm not a fan of that. I am, however, one of the people who do use a bike on the 100-km-hour roads. A normal bike, I might add; sometimes there is just no other choice if you want to get from A to B. One can be of mixed opinions on that, and depending on the road it can feel quite unsafe, but nobody complains about a Mofa going there with its 30 km/h, and an e-bike is not necessarily much slower...
Heather on Samstag, 24. Juli 2021 22:31

Something often overlooked is that without an "all or nothing" approach it's incredibly dangerous being a lone cyclist surrounded by blind drivers (1/8 licence holders in the UK don't meet the sight requirements). Cycle lanes here also have a spectacular tendancy to end around tricky road features, funneling cyclists into the path of cars, to the surprise of both. Better public transport and cycling infrastructure would remove many of the 1/8 from car driving while also making cycling a better option for others (including the 1/8). There will always be situations where motorised transport is better, but when the geography and infrastructure support it, there's a lot to be said for "adult tricycles".

Something often overlooked is that without an "all or nothing" approach it's incredibly dangerous being a lone cyclist surrounded by blind drivers (1/8 licence holders in the UK don't meet the sight requirements). Cycle lanes here also have a spectacular tendancy to end around tricky road features, funneling cyclists into the path of cars, to the surprise of both. Better public transport and cycling infrastructure would remove many of the 1/8 from car driving while also making cycling a better option for others (including the 1/8). There will always be situations where motorised transport is better, but when the geography and infrastructure support it, there's a lot to be said for "adult tricycles".
Katrin on Montag, 26. Juli 2021 15:54

Cycle lanes will do that here, too - end suddenly and at a very bad spot for the cyclists. It's a bit of a catch22 in some way: No good infrastructure for cycling leads to few people cycling, so obviously there are no cycleways necessary...

Cycle lanes will do that here, too - end suddenly and at a very bad spot for the cyclists. It's a bit of a catch22 in some way: No good infrastructure for cycling leads to few people cycling, so obviously there are no cycleways necessary...
inge on Dienstag, 27. Juli 2021 11:16

I interpret "but some people can't" or "what about heavy transport" as a defensive reflex. Like "I have considered it and there might even be a way to make it work, well, sometimes, but maybe not and I haven't yet gotten around to actually trying because, life"; or something.

Because that's what I do if something that is objectively the correct thing to do seems like the Chinese Wall of unmanagable inconvenience right now.

I interpret "but some people can't" or "what about heavy transport" as a defensive reflex. Like "I have considered it and there might even be a way to make it work, well, sometimes, but maybe not and I haven't yet gotten around to actually trying because, life"; or something. Because that's what I do if something that is objectively the correct thing to do seems like the Chinese Wall of unmanagable inconvenience right now.
Katrin on Mittwoch, 28. Juli 2021 16:07

Yes, it definitely sounds like a defensive reflex! What puzzles me, though, is that apparently it's not possible to say "well, it does not work for me in my current situation", but that the whole thing has to be condemned as absolutely the worst idea ever, and completely unsuitable for any situation.
Also... I totally get the Chinese Wall of Unmanageable Inconvenience issue. That's a very fitting way to describe it

Yes, it definitely sounds like a defensive reflex! What puzzles me, though, is that apparently it's not possible to say "well, it does not work for me in my current situation", but that the whole thing has to be condemned as absolutely the worst idea ever, and completely unsuitable for any situation. Also... I totally get the Chinese Wall of Unmanageable Inconvenience issue. That's a very fitting way to describe it :)
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